Muslim nations 'should separate church and state'

I sure would like to hear more comments like this coming from the non-Muslim world. Why we've put up with Muzzie's "My Allah is better than Yours" attitude for this long is beyond me.

More anti-dhimmitude from Australia, where it is getting to be quite a common sight. From Australia's ABC News, with thanks to Rosie:

Federal Treasurer Peter Costello has called on Islamic societies to disconnect church from state.

Mr Costello has said Islamic states should adopt a secular view free of all religion, in an address to the Australian Christian Lobby at a Christian Conference in Canberra today.

He also says Muslim societies should allow robust debate, after reaction to comments made last week by Pope Benedict XVI that sparked outrage across the Islamic world.

"How can one religion exercise the freedom to speak on its values, its faith, without prompting a violent response from other religions?" Mr Costello said.

"It can only happen where we all accept a set of rules, the right to freedom of speech without receiving violence in return."

Mr Costello says separating religion from government allows religious freedom.

"Now, I have argued that separation of church and state is good for both and further consistent with Christ's teaching," he said.

"I believe that a secular, national state can be adopted by Muslim societies and what is more, in doing so, will lead to greater technological and economic progress."

The federal Opposition says Mr Costello should not be making comments on international politics. Labor's treasury spokesman Wayne Swan says Mr Costello should leave the political comments to Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer.

But Australian Christian Lobby managing director Jim Wallace says Mr Costello was merely expressing his views.

"We've got to be free to say what we believe and to criticise, if necessary, any ideology or faith," he said.

"I think it doesn't help for us to allow ourselves to be intimidated into either silence or denial about the reality of ideologies or faiths that are out there."

Read it all.

Pope Rage

Last week in Germany, the pope quoted a medieval text that characterized some of the teachings of Islam's founder as "evil and inhuman" and referred to spreading Islam "by the sword."

The "Pope, and all Infidels, should know that no Muslim, under any circumstances, can tolerate an insult to the Prophet (Muhammad).... If the West does not change its stance regarding Islam, it will face severe consequences," Pakistani clerics said. Sept 21.

Also,

A leaflet issued by militants on Tuesday threatened to "target all Crusaders [a term frequently employed by Muslim Arabs to denote Christians] in the Gaza Strip until the pope issues an official apology."

Calling themselves "The Army of Guidance," the group announced that "all centers belonging to Crusaders, including churches and institutions, will from now on be targeted. We will even attack the Crusaders as they sit intoxicated in their homes." Sept 19

Also,

Sheikh Abubakar Hassan Malin told worshippers at his mosque to hunt down and kill whoever offended the Prophet Mohammed. Sept 15.

Gunmen have shot dead a 65-year-old Italian nun and her bodyguard at a hospital in Somali capital, Mogadishu. The attackers shot the nun three times in the back at the women and children's hospital in the south of the city before fleeing the scene. Sept 18.

Sounds like the Pope's quote of a 14th Century Christian emperor's comments were right on the mark. No wonder Muzzie has is panties in a wad.

The Pope spoke the truth!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

The Pope's comments were right on the mark.

And the Muslim response is so fucking typical: We are a religion of peace. This is another attack on Muslims and Islam. Muslims are not violent. Blah, blah, blah.

Well fuck you and a violent pedophile prophet wanna-be Muhammed. With so many examples of Islamic violence and hatred towards all things non-Muslim, do you really think the non-Muslim world believes anything you say?

Endless Jihad - The Truth about Islam and Violence

Jihad.

It was once a word unfamiliar to American ears. But in recent years it has become all too familiar. The actions of Muslim militants and terrorists have seared the word into American consciousness.

Yet even with thousands of innocent civilians killed on American soil by Islamic terrorists, the full significance of the Muslim concept of jihad has not been grasped by the American public.

In the days after September 11, 2001, American leaders rushed to portray Islam as a peaceful religion that had been "hijacked" by a fanatical band of terrorists. One hopes that these assurances were merely tactical—that nobody was meant to believe them and that they were meant to assure the Muslim world that the inevitable American reprisals were not directed at their religion as a whole.

If the world Muslim community perceived America as attacking Islam in general then the duty of every Muslim to fight for his religion—the duty of jihad—would have been invoked on a broad scale. The war against terrorism, instead of simmering with occasional flare-ups, like the Cold War, would have boiled over into a global conflagration, with the Muslim countries of the world—1.2 billion strong—mobilizing against America and the West.

Muslim apologists also rushed forward to assure the public that Islam was a peaceful religion. They disingenuously declared that the word Islam means "peace." And they tried to portray the terrorists as a fringe group outside the mainstream of Islam.

These were lies.

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Source: Catholic Answers, “Endlist Jihad - The Truth about Islam and Violence” (San Diego: Catholic Answers, 2004)

The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state

Interesting point of view.

'The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state' By Alasdair Palmer.

For the past two weeks, Patrick Sookhdeo has been canvassing the opinions of Muslim clerics in Britain on the row over the cartoons featuring images of Mohammed that were first published in Denmark and then reprinted in several other European countries.

"They think they have won the debate," he says with a sigh. "They believe that the British Government has capitulated to them, because it feared the consequences if it did not.

"The cartoons, you see, have not been published in this country, and the Government has been very critical of those countries in which they were published. To many of the Islamic clerics, that's a clear victory.

"It's confirmation of what they believe to be a familiar pattern: if spokesmen for British Muslims threaten what they call 'adverse consequences' - violence to the rest of us - then the British Government will cave in. I think it is a very dangerous precedent."

Dr Sookhdeo adds that he believes that "in a decade, you will see parts of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law.

Read it all.

Long Live Freedom of Speech!

Muslims find these pictures offensive and have gone on a rampage calling for the killing of those who would dare create and display pictures of their beloved "prophet", the ideal Muslim. Their prophet Muhammed was a thief, killer, and pedophile. Nice role model.




These pictures offend my kafir sensibilities but I think they need to be displayed. Religion of Peace, huh?

Three ladies in prison (an appeal)

I implore anyone who can read this to give it wider coverage by reproducing it on their blog.

This is the tale of three ladies you will never hear of in the west. They are not powerful, not rich, not influential and certainly not famous. They sit in jail today. Their crime? Caring about their communities.

Rebeka Zakaria, Eti Pangesti and Ratna Bangun were sentenced to three years of prison each.

In 2003, the local school allowed those of minority religions to instruct their children in the way of their respective religions. These three women, without funding, without much in the way of resources started a Christian program named Happy Sunday. Several Muslim children started to attend.

Islamic leaders became alarmed that their own children were attending Happy Sunday. One particular Muslim leader became alarmed when he realised that his own children were singing songs they had learnt at Happy Sunday. Somehow the Muslim songs had little traction with the kids. Clearly their children would not listen to them, so they went to the courts.

The local Jihad groups literally went to town and filled the court house with head banded supporters carrying banners spewing all kinds of threats. They laid six coffins outside the court, three for the women and the other three for the judges, should they return unfavourable verdicts.

The three women now are in prison. Please remember them in your prayers. Please also remember their own children who miss their mothers greatly, mothers who have done nothing more than to care about the upbringing of their children and who opened their hearts to the children of their neighbours.

God has his own plans but meanwhile we can continue to encourage these three women via the letter writing campaign.

Letters can be sent to the Singapore Open Doors office:


C/O Open Doors Singapore
8 Sin Ming Road
#02-06 Sin Ming Centre
Singapore 575628

A per the standard rule of writing to prisoners of conscience:

• Do not mention any organisations you are affiliated to.


• Do not say anything negative about the government of Indonesia or Islam, they already know that they are evil so you don't need to tell them.


• Be encouraging, if you have a verse from the bible write it in. Often prisoners are not allowed bibles or reading materials. Your verse may be the only reading material they get. This is not Guantanamo, it's real prison in a real Muslim country.


• Postcards and greeting cards are best. Good idea: Buy a stack of postcards and get the children in your pre-school, sunday school etc to fill them out. Artwork would be great too. You can ask them to pray along too.


• Tell them what country you are writing from but do not include your address
  * Please do not send money or gifts. What they need most is your encouragement. Besides, the country is corrupt.

If you need the address of a nearer open doors office you can find it at
http://sb.od.org/index.php?supp_page=contact&supp_lang=en.

This only costs you a few cents for a stamp and five minutes with a pen.

It says in the book of Matthew (much amplified):

Then the King will say to those at His right hand, Come, you blessed of My Father, receive as your own the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you brought Me together with yourselves and welcomed and entertained and lodged Me, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me with help and ministering care, I was in prison and you came to see Me.

Then the just and upright will answer Him, Lord, when did we see You hungry and gave You food, or thirsty and gave You something to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and welcomed and entertained You, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick or in prison and came to visit You?

And the King will reply to them, Truly I tell you, in so far as you did it for one of the least of these My brethren, you did it for Me.

U.S. soldiers face action over Afghan body burnings

God forbid we offend Muslim sensibilities.

(CNN) -- Two U.S. soldiers based in Afghanistan will face non-judicial disciplinary action in connection with the burning of the bodies of "two Islamic militants," according to a U.S. Central Command official.

Lt. Col. Laurent Fox said on Saturday that two other soldiers working in "psychological operations" will face similar punishment for making unauthorized broadcasts.

In the incident, which occurred last month, two soldiers burned the bodies and two soldiers broadcast a propaganda message taunting Taliban fighters.

A Saturday press conference in Afghanistan disclosed the military reaction to the incident.

The military says the soldiers burned the bodies for hygienic reasons and the broadcasting was unauthorized.

But the burnings are being regarded as a form of desecration because the Muslim faith forbids the burning of bodies. Afghanistan is a Muslim country.

Unless, of course, they are kafir bodies.

The Rantings of a Muslim Troll

The following is taken from the comments from the Jihad of Umar blog. Umar Lee had posted his comments about the Muslim riots in France in a post titled European Civil War?. In the spirit of open discussion I asked some questions. The others who replied were civil, however, one person, who would only post as 'Anonymous', took offense to everything I had to say.

Quotes from other comments are in "quotes" and italic. In the interest of brevity, some posts have been shortened.

Anonymous said...

They need to start deporting jewish scum.

The Infidel Army said...

"Europe needs their Muslims and needs to respect them for who they are and respect Islam..."

If this is expected from Western Countries, shouldn't it also be expected that Islamic Countries respect non-Muslims and their religion?

Abu Sinan said...

There are no "Islamic countries" in the world today, only countries with Muslim majorities. Not one country in the world today is run in an Islamic manner, not even close.

I agree that rights should be afforded to all, whether it is in the Middle East or the West. Time for the West to put their money where their mouths are, let the immigrants and their families integrate. Most of these people were born and raised in France anyway, so when are we going to stop calling them immigrants? And time for the West, especially the USA, to stop support the dictators in the Middle East.

The Infidel Army said...

"Time for the West to put their money where their mouths are, let the immigrants and their families integrate."

Money for what? What responsibility does the West have that it should be spending money on the immigrants?

My grandparents immigrated to the US from Italy and had no problem integrating into American society.

I think it's time for the US to get entirely out of the Middle East.

Anonymous said...

Last time I checked Italians were white, and didnt have much of a real culture....so it didnt take long for them to "integrate." This was a 100 years ago, the world today is a much smaller place. If you europeans dont want to do your own work or have babies, you have only yourselves to blame not the immigrants you allowed in. On top of that if you mistreat people immigrant or otherwise, chances are they're going to start protesting. Enough excuses and racism already.

The Infidel Army said...

"Italians don't have much of a real culture."

Fuck you Anonymous. And I'm American not European.

"On top of that if you mistreat people immigrant or otherwise, chances are they're going to start protesting."

So then you would have no problem if French citizens rose up and fought back against the rioting Muslims?

"Enough excuses and racism already."

Oh and just what race are Muslims?

Anonymous said...

>>Fuck you Anonymous. And I'm American not European. <<

No, you're a European American of Italian background with no history or understanding of civil rights. So fuck you very much.

>>So then you would have no problem if French citizens rose up and fought back against the rioting Muslims?<<

French rising up to fight French? I realize that greasers arent the smartest people in the word, but thats a pretty dumb statement.

>>Oh and just what race are Muslims?<<

They're not european, thats their crime. If they aint white, they aint right.

The Infidel Army said...

Hi Abu Sinan,

Thanks for telling me why you don't think Iran and Saudi Arabia are Islamic countries. And you make a very good point about America being a nation built on immigration and thus it is easier for immigrants to integrate into American society.

Anonymous,

No, you're a European American of Italian background with no history or understanding of civil rights. So fuck you very much.

Wow, you sure can tell a lot about someone from reading a couple of posts. Regardless of what you think, I consider myself an American and could care less what you think of me or who I am.

"French rising up to fight French? I realize that greasers arent the smartest people in the word, but thats a pretty dumb statement."

Since you didn't answer my question, I'll assume you didn't understand it so I will ask it in simpler terms: Do you have a problem with law-abiding citizens rising up to fight law-breaking citizens?

"If they aint white, they aint right."

Sounds like you're the one with the racist attitude.

Anonymous said...

>>Wow, you sure can tell a lot about someone from reading a couple of posts.<<

Agreed. I only needed one post from you to figure out that you're pretty full of shit. Treat others as you would want to be treated yourself.

>>Regardless of what you think, I consider myself an American and could care less what you think of me or who I am.<<

An ignorant white Italian American no doubt, one who doesnt know what he's talking about. One who doesnt know his own history, much less that of other nations.

>>Since you didn't answer my question, I'll assume you didn't understand it so I will ask it in simpler terms: Do you have a problem with law-abiding citizens rising up to fight law-breaking citizens?<<

I did answer your query birdbrain. So you're just going rephrase the question are you? Nothing wrong with "law-breaking," when the "law" causes to the deaths of 2 immigrants. If we followed such "laws" we would still have certain people using the backdoor or sitting at the back of the bus. I know you cant relate to that since you've never been treated like a second or third class citizen or been denied your rights. Hence your racist views on this, like you are irrelevent.

>>Sounds like you're the one with the racist attitude.<<

Look who's talking, Mr."I hate Islam and Muslims and make no secret of it on my blog, but they better not call me a bigot." Fuck off.

The Infidel Army said...

Anonymous,

Call me a bigot all you want. As I said before, I don't care what you think of me or who I am.

The only "law" that was broken when the two teenagers died was the law of common sense that says don't hide in electrical sub-station.

Anonymous said...

>>Call me a bigot all you want. As I said before, I don't care what you think of me or who I am.<<

Feelings mutual, you're irrelevent, and thats that. Now go fetch me a pizza, vinny.

>>The only "law" that was broken when the two teenagers died was the law of common sense that says don't hide in electrical sub-station.<<

Here we go with the usual brand of bullshit minimalism and obfuscation, they were chased into power plant by the cops, idiot. This is rich, talk of "common sense" from an extremist asshole calling himself "infidel army." A wanker alone in his parents basement with an internet connection and gallon of KY jelly. What would a piece of shit like you know about civil rights?

The Infidel Army said...

Anonymous,

It is obvious you are nothing more than a troll and will not waste anymore of my time on you.

Anonymous said...

>>It is obvious you are nothing more than a troll and will not waste anymore of my time on you.<<

This gets better with each post. Look who's talking. Run along infidel troll. Your petty racism will not be tolerated, now fuck off.

Read all the comments.

The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. said that conflicts are never resolved without trustful give and take on both sides.

I have had civil discussions with Muslims who were interested in trying to resolve our differences of opinion. Unfortunately, there are others, on both sides, who want nothing more than to argue and call names.

Christians under siege in Pakistan after riot

More from that religion of peace.

Sangla Hill, Pakistan (Telegraph News) -- The Christians of Sangla Hill in Pakistan were a community under siege last night after a Muslim mob rampaged through the town, burning churches and a Roman Catholic compound.

Father Samson Dilawar, parish priest of the Roman Catholic Church of Nazooli-i-Rooh, the Blessing of the Sacred Spirit, was still dressed in the cassock in which he fled when the mob knocked down the gate to the church compound on Saturday.

"I heard the mullahs had been telling people over loudspeakers, 'We are guardians of the Koran and it is our foremost duty to teach a lesson to those kafirs'," he said. "Then they came to my door."

Werner Scherhaufer, an Austrian on holiday in the Punjabi town with his Pakistani wife, said the crowd was "like a football match".

He saw several thousand people streaming towards the Christian quarter. "We locked ourselves in as we feared they were coming for us," he said.

They shouted insults at the Christians, calling them "kafirs" and "chucha", the abusive term for non-Muslims and untouchables, and "kuta", which means dogs.

Local police and the Christian community agreed on how the violence began: a Christian man had spent several days gambling with Muslim men and had won a small fortune.

Embittered, his opponents spread the rumour that he had set fire to the koran mahal, a box for preserving torn pages of the Koran. Soon the alleged deed was broadcast by mullahs from mosques.

Fr Dilawar fled to the nearby convent where he hid with a group of nuns. "Ours was the only door that they did not try," he said. "It was luck. That is how our lives were saved."

His residence was doused in chemicals and set alight, gutting the building and destroying century-old documents.

In the same compound, St Anthony's Primary School, which has 1,500 Muslim and Christian pupils, was ransacked and burnt.

The same treatment was meted out to the church, convent, boarding house and medical centre. The feet were snapped off statues of Jesus, metal crucifixes were buckled and nuns' habits torched.

"I will try to carry on as before," said Sister Anthony, the principal of the primary school. "But surely the government must help us."

Standing outside the smouldering shell of his Union Presbyterian church, the Rev Tajmal Pervez said: "Christians have been in the area for over a century. There has never been any problem."

The beams of his parsonage were open to daylight yesterday. "Religious fanatics have stirred this up," said Mr Pervez, who has been in the area for 15 years.

The rampage extended to three other churches on the outskirts of Sanga Hill. "We told the authorities that there was going to be trouble," said Mr Pervez. "So they sent four policemen who did nothing to stop the mayhem."

Yesterday a 1,000-strong congregation wearing black armbands knelt in the street opposite the burnt out church and Mr Pervez said a mass "for peace and love".

Sanga Hill, 50 miles west of Lahore, is a town in the heartland of Punjab's ethnic jigsaw where violence between Shia and Sunni, and Christian and Muslim has grown more frequent.

A 10th of the town's 10,000 population is Christian. Dr S F Martin recalled only one other incident of violence against Christians before partition in 1947. This weekend his possessions were thrown out of his house and it was burnt down.